Translate howto/sorting from section 'Decorate-Sort-Undecorate' to end #580

mindihx · 2023-08-12T07:45:20Z

issue #569
後半段 Decorate-Sort-Undecorate 到結尾

mindihx · 2023-08-12T07:46:54Z

howto/sorting.po

@@ -309,17 +324,23 @@ msgid ""
 "part of their API.  For example, :func:`locale.strcoll` is a comparison "
 "function."
 msgstr ""
+"當從其它語言翻譯演算法的時候常看到比較函式。有些函式庫也會提供比較函式作為其 "
+"API 的一部份，例如  :func:`locale.strcoll` 就是一個比較函式。"


啊這邊多一個空白我下次一起改

mindihx · 2023-08-12T07:47:25Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:253
 msgid "Odds and Ends"
-msgstr ""
+msgstr "零星雜事"


這不知道怎麼翻比較適合，很不像文件的用詞 :p

改成 雜項說明 如何？

mindihx · 2023-08-12T07:48:17Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:274
 msgid ""
 "The sort routines use ``<`` when making comparisons between two objects. So, "
 "it is easy to add a standard sort order to a class by defining an :meth:"
 "`~object.__lt__` method:"
 msgstr ""
+"排序時會使用 ``<`` 來比較兩個物件，因此要在類別裡面加入順序比較基準是簡單的，"


這個 standard sort order 不確定怎麼翻比較好

翻成 因此要在類別裡面加入排序順序比較規則是簡單的 如何？

mindihx · 2023-08-12T07:49:58Z

對了可以把這個 pr 跟前面那個 pr assign 給我嗎
#571
這樣之後比較好搜尋~ 謝謝

mattwang44 · 2023-08-13T13:35:43Z

對了可以把這個 pr 跟前面那個 pr assign 給我嗎 #571 這樣之後比較好搜尋~ 謝謝

已 assign，不過感覺可以直接搜尋 author 就好？

mattwang44 · 2023-08-13T13:36:49Z

@weijay0804 想請你來 review 這個 PR 🙏🏽

weijay0804 · 2023-08-13T14:53:53Z

OK 沒問題，我有空就開始～

mindihx · 2023-08-14T01:17:06Z

對了可以把這個 pr 跟前面那個 pr assign 給我嗎 #571 這樣之後比較好搜尋~ 謝謝

已 assign，不過感覺可以直接搜尋 author 就好？

喔喔我本來以為只能搜尋 assignee
感謝告知 :p

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T06:51:28Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:208
 msgid ""
 "This idiom works because tuples are compared lexicographically; the first "
 "items are compared; if they are the same then the second items are compared, "
 "and so on."
 msgstr ""
+"這個方式會有效是因為元組是依照字典順序來比較；先比較第一個項目；如果一樣再比"


這邊感覺可以把原文加上去
依照字典順序 (lexicographically) 來比較
因為怕會跟 Python 中的 dictionary 搞混

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T07:28:40Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:215
 msgid ""
 "The sort is stable -- if two items have the same key, their order will be "
 "preserved in the sorted list."
 msgstr ""
+"排序會是穩定的——如果兩個項目有相同的鍵，它們在排序好的串列中會保持原來的順"


這邊改成
排序會是穩定的 - 如果兩個項目有相同的鍵
感覺會比較清楚一點

確認一下是指把破折號改成 hyphen 嗎

嗯嗯
因為原本的會是這樣

改成 hyphen 會是這樣

看起來比較清楚一點

這邊想順便問一下~
原文裡面會出現一個、兩個或三個 hyphen
什麼情況下要翻成破折號，什麼情況下要翻成一個 hyphen
什麼情況下要維持跟原文一樣的 hyphen 數
這個有一個規則嗎，還是就是每次遇到就看情況？

hmmm 我好像也沒有特別注意過這件事，幾乎都是看原文有幾個譯文就放幾個

我習慣是遇到 一一 就翻譯成 - ，不過如果要翻譯成 -- 應該也沒問題

如果不翻破折號的，這邊我先照原文的 hyphen 數量

嗯嗯沒問題～
再麻煩你了🙏

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T12:55:48Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:227
 msgid ""
 "Now that Python sorting provides key-functions, this technique is not often "
 "needed."
-msgstr ""
+msgstr "而因為 Python 的排序提供了鍵函式，已經不太常需要這個方法了。"


這邊把原文也放上去比較好
而因為 Python 的排序提供了鍵函式 (key-functions)

因為上半部的翻譯已經出現過鍵函式的原文
所以這裡就不放了~

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T12:56:45Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:227
 msgid ""
 "Now that Python sorting provides key-functions, this technique is not often "
 "needed."
-msgstr ""
+msgstr "而因為 Python 的排序提供了鍵函式，已經不太常需要這個方法了。"


這邊改成 已經不太需要這個方法了。 感覺比較通順一點

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T13:00:19Z

howto/sorting.po

@@ -301,6 +312,10 @@ msgid ""
 "function such as ``cmp(a, b)`` will return a negative value for less-than, "
 "zero if the inputs are equal, or a positive value for greater-than."
 msgstr ""
+"例如\\ `天秤 <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/"
+"Balance_à_tabac_1850.JPG>`_\\ 比較兩邊樣本並給出相對的順序：較輕、相同、或較"


較輕、相同或較重

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T13:01:37Z

howto/sorting.po

+"例如\\ `天秤 <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/"
+"Balance_à_tabac_1850.JPG>`_\\ 比較兩邊樣本並給出相對的順序：較輕、相同、或較"
+"重。同樣地，像是 ``cmp(a, b)`` 這樣的比較函式會回傳負數代表小於、0 代表輸入相"
+"同、或正數代表大於。"


同，或正數代表大於。

還是說跟上面 較輕、相同或較重 一樣改成 同或正數代表大於?
或者前面的 負數代表小於 後面也要一起改成逗號?

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T13:04:43Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:253
 msgid "Odds and Ends"
-msgstr ""
+msgstr "零星雜事"


改成 雜項說明 如何？

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T13:06:21Z

howto/sorting.po

@@ -328,6 +349,9 @@ msgid ""
 "\"alphabetical\" sort orderings can vary across cultures even if the "
 "underlying alphabet is the same."
 msgstr ""
+"要處理能理解本地語系 (locale aware) 的排序可以使用 :func:`locale.strxfrm` 當"
+"作鍵函式，或 :func:`locale.strcoll` 當作比較函式。這樣做是必要的，因為在不同"
+"文化中就算是相同的字母，按｢字母順序｣排序的結果也各不相同。"


這邊要改成全形引號
按「字母順序」排序的結果也各不相同。

原來我打出來的不是全形，就想說怎麼看起來有點窄...

weijay0804 · 2023-08-14T13:08:36Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:274
 msgid ""
 "The sort routines use ``<`` when making comparisons between two objects. So, "
 "it is easy to add a standard sort order to a class by defining an :meth:"
 "`~object.__lt__` method:"
 msgstr ""
+"排序時會使用 ``<`` 來比較兩個物件，因此要在類別裡面加入順序比較基準是簡單的，"


翻成 因此要在類別裡面加入排序順序比較規則是簡單的 如何？

weijay0804 · 2023-08-16T04:18:29Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:215
 msgid ""
 "The sort is stable -- if two items have the same key, their order will be "
 "preserved in the sorted list."
 msgstr ""
+"排序會是穩定的——如果兩個項目有相同的鍵，它們在排序好的串列中會保持原來的順"


我習慣是遇到 一一 就翻譯成 - ，不過如果要翻譯成 -- 應該也沒問題

weijay0804 · 2023-08-16T04:29:01Z

howto/sorting.po

+"讓其可以當作鍵函式來使用：\n"
+"\n"
+"::"


~~我也要把陷阱卡的效果轉嫁給你了~~

可以參考這些討論

feat(howto/sockets.po): 翻譯 When Sockets Die 和 Non-blocking Sockets 區塊 #581 (comment)

更簡潔的 reST 的 literal block 標記語法 #568

Suggested change

"讓其可以當作鍵函式來使用：\n"

"\n"

"::"

"讓其可以當作鍵函式來使用： ::"

已修改，我之前看的 pr 也有一樣的用法 (line 96, 436) 有需要改嗎
https://github.com/python/python-docs-zh-tw/pull/572/files

之前的 PR 你有空再改也可以，因為這種寫法只是更簡潔方便而已， render 出來的效果是一樣的。

weijay0804 · 2023-08-16T04:31:43Z

howto/sorting.po


 #: ../../howto/sorting.rst:208
 msgid ""
 "This idiom works because tuples are compared lexicographically; the first "
 "items are compared; if they are the same then the second items are compared, "
 "and so on."
 msgstr ""
+"這個方式會有效是因為元組是依照字典順序 (lexicographically) 來比較；先比較第"


這裡改成逗號會不會比較好

Suggested change

"這個方式會有效是因為元組是依照字典順序 (lexicographically) 來比較；先比較第"

"這個方式會有效是因為元組是依照字典順序 (lexicographically) 來比較，先比較第"

weijay0804

LGTM
辛苦了～～

mattwang44 · 2023-08-18T18:11:48Z

Thanks for the efforts!

python#580) * Translate howto/sorting from section 'Decorate-Sort-Undecorate' to end * Refine translation of howto/sorting * Refine translation for howto/sorting

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	"這個方式會有效是因為元組是依照字典順序 (lexicographically) 來比較；先比較第"
	"這個方式會有效是因為元組是依照字典順序 (lexicographically) 來比較，先比較第"

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