V2EX http://v2ex.com/t/182766 I'm trying to block Stack Overflow in China: replies and AMA

[cirosantilli]

See: http://stackoverflow.com/users/895245/ciro-santilli-%E5%85%AD%E5%9B%9B%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6-%E6%B3%95%E8%BD%AE%E5%8A%9F

Continuation to: http://v2ex.com/t/182766

I can't reply there, it requires rep... please answer here instead.

Please ping me on Twitter so I can reply next time. Found this with Google Analytics :-)

China is my favorite country in the world, I want you to be even freer and richer than you are today. I don't want any violence.

I'm Brazilian and work in France. My GF is Chinese, she and her mother do (that religion). I don't believe in it at all, but I do believe in freedom of religion and speech.

上看到一个丧心病狂的程序员

lrz0lrz yuelang85 nikolai If someone puts your mother in law in jail without trial, and threatens to do the same to your girlfriend for something you think is unjust, wouldn't you also become "丧心病狂"?

知道so的还不会翻墙？

dorentus phpcxy letv: True, good programmers will definitely be able to climb the wall. But every action we take is statistical: this gives you more trouble, hurts search engines, hurts newbs more, and makes you develop better wall climbing methods.

帝国主义果然亡我之心不死啊

cloudhunter GeBron Reactionary: forces "反动势力" and Imperialism "帝国主义" made me laugh. Are you being ironic? They are pure communist anti-foreign rhetoric that mean nothing is that it?

If not: I'm Brazilian. We've been exploited by the Portuguese, then British, then American. Do you really think I'm an imperialist? I think I'm more left-wing than you are.

http://program-think.blogspot.com/ 这是他的博客，部分观点比较激进

chengzhoukun nice link! http://program-think.blogspot.com/ I may add it to my list: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship

Is this guy so famous?

secondwtq KentY: unfortunately, I'm not famous, and my rep is low. But always trying to get more rep with good answers.

前几天就见过这名字，当时以为是冥晦网派出来的 spammer

zhengkai: I'm a political spammer. I am for freedom of all religions, and freedom of speech of all countries. I don't believe in (that religion).

If you think I work for (that religion), I can also accuse you of working for your government, and neither of us can prove otherwise.

这人我最近经常看见..我一直以为是中国人来着.. 看来我和他的交集蛮大的..

rianq maybe: some day we can work together!

可惜SOF支持https……

wdlth: ah, that makes it harder is that so? I know nothing about networking.

好可愛！

Elethom thanks?!

keeeeymann mimzy: Perapera did not manage to translate what you've said, if you write in English I may reply

All best to all!

You got me. LOL

I don't think he is using the word 「喪心病狂」 as a derogatory term. Just an expression of amazement I guess?

[cirosantilli]

thanks! That crossed my mind since we are all programmers and like that kind of humour, but it's hard for me to decide :-)

[mookrs]

Hi, I am mimzy in V2. I said "归根结底还是为了妹子啊……" means you did all of these for your GF, maybe it is something like men control world , but women control men... Most of us expressed a kind of humour. "丧心病狂" is our catchword, maybe means "crazy but cool ". Good luck to you. You are an interesting man. :)

[cirosantilli]

@mookrs thanks! Of course I do this because of my GF + general beliefs :-) If the party did nothing against those I care about and other Chinese, I wouldn't say anything bad to them ~~

[mookrs]

@cirosantilli I have to go to sleep, it's 3:00 a.m. here. Some guys may come here to reply you after they getting up. You are a little serious (I understand our humor is more or less difficult to comprehend for you.) and really nice. :D Happy May Day and have a good time !

[RobertYim]

Greetings.

This problem seems very important to you and I sorry that I didn‘t take it seriously (on that V2EX post). I really do respect religion and the freedom of beliefs.

We often use 「丧心病狂、反动势力、帝国主义、冥晦网」these kind of words for sarcasm because the crazy Internet censorship. It means no harsh and please don't keep in mind. :)

[riaqn]

Hello, sorry that I didn't know why you 're doing all this when I was replying that post. I should be more serious.
The China government and the CCP is evil, we all know that. But with all respect, is "that religion" Falun Gong? If so, I strongly advise you to help your mother in law get rid of that cult, as much as you can. It's really a cult[1] even more evil than CCP.

That been said, The government shouldn't arrest her without any warrant, not to mention she is a victim, not a offender to the cult.

[1]. http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Chinese-government-against-Falun-Gong

[cirosantilli]

@mookrs @Robertyan @riaqn thanks for the reply, you guys are really nice. I was not offended, I imagined it might be humour, but I did not know you were so positively minded either! I am a proud to be a programmer like you guys, and there is great hope for China!

@riaqn That Falun Gong is bad can be argued. And if someone convinces me that it is bad enough to be outlowed, I will remove it from my username.

Thanks for that quora link, I'll add it to my list.

From my personal experience, I have seen nothing wrong with it: my GF, mother seem pretty happy (when outside jail :-) ). But of course, any individual testimony is not evidence enough.

I think those same arguments apply to any other religion, in particular Christianity (I believe neither), which was considered "the cult of Jesus" by the Roman empire, claimed to cure people, claimed that the world would end, and was a major concern for the stability of the dictatorial state.

Like any other religion, it is impossible to convince believers otherwise: possibly the more you try, the worse it is, because it generates even stronger feelings. Likely Christianity was fuelled by the Roman empire's repression much like FLG by the CCP.

Also like any religion, no one can prove or disprove it.

Then there is the question of what can be done about it. The top post on the quora question you've linked to says: do nothing and punish individuals, which is exactly what I think, but it is a truly difficult question.

Let's move that discussion to: https://github.com/cirosantilli/chat/issues/3 , http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/27529/have-many-falun-gong-practitioners-forgone-medical-treatment-and-died-of-treatab

[secondwtq]

I'm secondwtq and I was saying about http://program-think.blogspot.com/, I read his articles years ago :)

[cirosantilli]

@secondwtq hi there. Is the blog any good, fun, or just purely extremist?

[secondwtq]

@cirosantilli Hi, but I don't think I'm capable of making any objective comment on this yet. Anyway, it exposes lots of things not available from other channels and however, I cannot validate them, too.

[zhengkai]

LOL, 冥晦网 is a censored name for minghui.org (明慧网), they are the same sounds

I just kidding, I know what do you want. I'm in China and I access internet with whitelist ( only few sites which I allowed are not using ssh tunnel proxy) lots of years ago.

[cirosantilli]

@zhengkai ahh, now I get it. That is a nice one: same sound but opposite meaning! That's one of the reasons I love Chinese :-)

[VirgilMing]

Man I am totally in agreement with your faith.
But... Well, we programmers in China just can't start a revolution because of practical reasons. The sophisticated hierarchy, so called 「体制」, is not the only one to blame. You'll need to revert public misunderstanding, stereotypes and prejudices. That's at least Herculean.
People that can find here and wanna chat with you are exceptionally biased, with more or less belief in pure and total freedom of speech, with skill in English and coding, with an open mind. That's hard to find.
All these does not mean to frustrate you. But if we really wanna make a difference, we need to be more practical.